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	<title>Comments on: Mike Yaconelli Quote</title>
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	<description>exploring the missional paradigm</description>
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		<title>By: Webb</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13291</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been on vacation. Just got back and catching up on blogs. Ya, just gotta love the wisdom of Yac. Sure miss that guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been on vacation. Just got back and catching up on blogs. Ya, just gotta love the wisdom of Yac. Sure miss that guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan McFadzean</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13286</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan McFadzean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, what about those of us who continue to be "church" in the corporate world day in and day out, does this mean we should abandon all we have learned and that we can bring nothing of value to the party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, what about those of us who continue to be &#8220;church&#8221; in the corporate world day in and day out, does this mean we should abandon all we have learned and that we can bring nothing of value to the party?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13260</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Rick... of course church has a bit on an innovation lag, so a lot of the models of leadership advocated now in say missional churches are what major coprorations are running now - project teams are in, hiarachies are out etc...

Give it another 10 yrs and I'm sure people will be saying the exact same thang - the church is the body of Christ not the Body Shop for example, lol...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Rick&#8230; of course church has a bit on an innovation lag, so a lot of the models of leadership advocated now in say missional churches are what major coprorations are running now - project teams are in, hiarachies are out etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Give it another 10 yrs and I&#8217;m sure people will be saying the exact same thang - the church is the body of Christ not the Body Shop for example, lol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13259</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>must be yaconelli weekend. i just quoted him myself.

it is a struggle for me as a youth pastor. how can i be part of the solution while being part of the problem? maybe the better question is, how do we as pastors or elders in our church move away from the management mode? how do we redefine our roles as leaders?

maybe i should check out that book. these are the questions that run through my mind as i read this post.

peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>must be yaconelli weekend. i just quoted him myself.</p>
<p>it is a struggle for me as a youth pastor. how can i be part of the solution while being part of the problem? maybe the better question is, how do we as pastors or elders in our church move away from the management mode? how do we redefine our roles as leaders?</p>
<p>maybe i should check out that book. these are the questions that run through my mind as i read this post.</p>
<p>peace.</p>
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		<title>By: brad grinnen</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13258</link>
		<dc:creator>brad grinnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rick, 

thanks for your insight.  it goes a long way as i'm uncovering some things for myself.  i'll check out the post:)

brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rick, </p>
<p>thanks for your insight.  it goes a long way as i&#8217;m uncovering some things for myself.  i&#8217;ll check out the post:)</p>
<p>brad</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Meigs</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13257</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Meigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad:

I've not blogged on this in any detail, but in essence the American business model adopted by most American faith communities have sets the Elders up as a board of directors, the lead pastor as the CEO, and associated pastors and other staff as corporate VPs over different product/service divisions. The products and services are marketed using the latest thinking on the subject. Members are human capital used to work the programs, maintain the institution and push the products and services. Increased membership, bigger building complexes, larger budgets, and growing staff are some of the key benchmarks used to measure success.

I know I'm cynical and lots of good is being done by most of these faith communities, but I really think a reformation needs to come on how we structure our communities if we want to move from the attractional model to a missional paradigm. 

I did the following post (&lt;a href="http://blindbeggar.org/?p=402" rel="nofollow"&gt;Leadership and the Missional Church&lt;/a&gt;) which may be of interest and does offer an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not blogged on this in any detail, but in essence the American business model adopted by most American faith communities have sets the Elders up as a board of directors, the lead pastor as the CEO, and associated pastors and other staff as corporate VPs over different product/service divisions. The products and services are marketed using the latest thinking on the subject. Members are human capital used to work the programs, maintain the institution and push the products and services. Increased membership, bigger building complexes, larger budgets, and growing staff are some of the key benchmarks used to measure success.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m cynical and lots of good is being done by most of these faith communities, but I really think a reformation needs to come on how we structure our communities if we want to move from the attractional model to a missional paradigm. </p>
<p>I did the following post (<a href="http://blindbeggar.org/?p=402" rel="nofollow">Leadership and the Missional Church</a>) which may be of interest and does offer an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: The Boar&#8217;s Head Tavern &#187;</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13256</link>
		<dc:creator>The Boar&#8217;s Head Tavern &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Classic Yaconelli.    Posted by: Michael Spencer @ 2:51 pm &#124; Trackback &#124; Permalink [...]</description>
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		<title>By: brad grinnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad grinnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rick,

i really struggle with finding the balance here.  my thoughts are still muddled a bit on this topic.

1.  i'm not sure i'm familiar enough with a management model to speak intelligently about it.  since i loathed any structural mogul even as a drugee.

2. aren't there some things we can learn from the corporate world?

3.  i don't think Christ called the body to be a business.

do you have other posts where you unpack your thoughts?

brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rick,</p>
<p>i really struggle with finding the balance here.  my thoughts are still muddled a bit on this topic.</p>
<p>1.  i&#8217;m not sure i&#8217;m familiar enough with a management model to speak intelligently about it.  since i loathed any structural mogul even as a drugee.</p>
<p>2. aren&#8217;t there some things we can learn from the corporate world?</p>
<p>3.  i don&#8217;t think Christ called the body to be a business.</p>
<p>do you have other posts where you unpack your thoughts?</p>
<p>brad</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Meigs</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13252</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Meigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And few of those good things God has been speaking to the individual about doing ever rise up to where "management" hears them. Thanks Glenn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And few of those good things God has been speaking to the individual about doing ever rise up to where &#8220;management&#8221; hears them. Thanks Glenn.</p>
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		<title>By: glenn</title>
		<link>http://blindbeggar.org/?p=519#comment-13251</link>
		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got to love someone who talks like that.

It seems like the individual is devalued in this "IBM style" of church management.  It herds people through a process as though they were cattle.  No one asks, what has God been doing in your life?  What do you think is a next step for you?  People do not get to know the individual in the process of training a good church member to build up the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got to love someone who talks like that.</p>
<p>It seems like the individual is devalued in this &#8220;IBM style&#8221; of church management.  It herds people through a process as though they were cattle.  No one asks, what has God been doing in your life?  What do you think is a next step for you?  People do not get to know the individual in the process of training a good church member to build up the organization.</p>
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